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Truth & Wisdom

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Truth & Wisdom

Post by tr8theta » Fri Jul 14, 2017 9:40 pm

I am of no particular religion but rather have cherished the truth and wisdom I have found in many religions and philosophies and other sources from various time periods such as most recently in "The Shack".
Today I stumbled into an old movie on TMC called "Lost Horizon" (1937) and found it to be very Shack-like with it's messages within "To Love" and to "Be Kind" It's about a group of passengers on an airplane that crash in the Tibetian mountains and are rescued and escorted to a place called "Shangri-La where everything there is beautiful and life is peaceful. However, just as with The Shack book/movie (there are those who find fault with it and denounce it -closed-minded that they are) some of the passengers do not SEE the beauty, truth and wisdom of this paradise. A few finally do come to SEE and appreciate it and they remain. The "others" leave and get killed by an avalanche. it's a wonderful movie with a happy ending.

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Re: Truth & Wisdom

Post by Doggie » Fri Jul 14, 2017 9:52 pm

I don't claim to be of any religion, I simply claim a relationship with my God and my Saviour through the Holy Spirit. I believe that the Bible is God's love letter to me. I have studied many religions and yes, they all have a bit of truth. The problem though is that the best lies contain just enough truth to deceive.
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Re: Truth & Wisdom

Post by Arus » Fri Jul 14, 2017 10:02 pm

I personally have a problem with religion. That is why I reacted the way I did with The Shack - it is not, in any way, religion, but rather, a relationship with the Trinity.
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Re: Truth & Wisdom

Post by Doggie » Fri Jul 14, 2017 10:20 pm

I have found that many denominations have "traditions" that you have to adhere to, to belong. I do agree that we need to talk to each other for support and to have relationship with each other because we were created to have relationships. I enjoy my time with other believers when I go to church but I'm fortunate that God directed us to a church that says you can have your traditions but what is important is that you have a personal relationship that isn't dependent on the church.
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Re: Truth & Wisdom

Post by tr8theta » Sat Jul 15, 2017 3:09 pm

I was raise as a Catholic from 1st grade all through High School and attended Catholic schools the entire time. I can tell you some stories about the "nuns"(slapping little kids in the face) and when I was in 5th grade, the Franciscan Brothers throwing rubber spalding balls at kids and whacking us on the hand with rulers...definitely NOT "Love". However in 4th grade I was an altar boy which I loved especially when I got to ring the bells and our priest was a most wonderful loving man...so was my nun teacher who I went
y back and visited years later. My most disappointing experience was when I made my first Holy Communion.
The nuns had us practice everything first including receiving the host (but it was NOT consecrated). Then on Communion day when I was given the host...it tasted exactly the same (as practice) and I felt nothing special (thinking I was supposed to feel the Holy Spirit descending upon me. I did like going to confession being 'forgiven" with a fresh clean slate. I also enjoyed doing the Stations of the Cross on Nov 2 (all Souls day) because we were told everytime you did them a soul was released from purgatory. On my last day of high school I received Holy Communion with mortal sins on my soul ( the worst No No you could commit besides touching the host itself) and THAT day i said to myself "This (Catholicism) is a bunch of BS. I was soooo bored and tired with the old traditions and stories from 2000 years ago. once I went to mass with a co-worker many years later and as we walked up the Church steps there was a beggar holding out his hand and NOBODY...I mean NOBODY gave him anything. I looked around while in the Church at all the hypocrites. That man could have been Christ himself seeing what people would do.

I then dabbled in Buddism, Scientology, Eckankar enjoying what truths and wisdom I learned from those including the Bible too. My wife converted to Episcopalian and I went to Church with her in NYC and really enjoyed it because they had a band and choir and the minister spoke about modern day matters we could relate to. Then we moved to NJ and the Church we went to just wasnt the same...no motivating or inspirational sermons (blah). So now I'm a Shack-ist" LOL just trying to be a better person for myself, family, neighbors, even total strangers. Thanks for listening and for your responses.
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Re: Truth & Wisdom

Post by Courageous » Sun Jul 16, 2017 5:19 pm

Choose whom you will serve.

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Re: Truth & Wisdom

Post by tr8theta » Sun Jul 16, 2017 10:39 pm

Courageous: This is how I care to respond to that.

There are several meanings of the word serve. Which meaning exactly are you implying?
One meaning when associated with "slavery" means the performance of duties (against one's will) by one owned or controlled by another.

In the Shack movie Jesus says "I don't want slaves...I want friends (relationships)

For me the word "serve" means to "be useful" or "be useful to" just as I am useful to the people I perform my transfer services by converting their precious family memories on tapes and films to dvd.
So therefore I "serve" my community.

Serve also means 'to honor and obey" which in one way implies to do so willingly or in another way unwillingly.
Personally, I don't worship (one meaning of the phrase "to honor") anyone. I honor and obey (agree to and abide by) the laws of society (such as STOP at a red light; pay your bills etc...) and The Commandments "Thou shalt not kill" or "Steal" because there are consequences for violating such...either here or in the hereafter.

So I am now endeavoring to have a better relationship and friendship with The Holy Trinity but I do not "serve" any "whom" in the sense such as subjects serve their King. I don't think that God expects or demands to be "served" in this sense either but rather wants to be known and to be in a relationship of love and friendship with all of us as equals (we were made in his image) not as subordinates.

Thank you for listening. You may not fully agree but that's okay because I respect your feelings and thoughts on this and other topics and I enjoy sharing with you and everybody here in the forum. Sorry...I tend to be lengthy sometimes.
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Re: Truth & Wisdom

Post by Doggie » Mon Jul 17, 2017 2:54 am

Tom,
I serve others because I love and have a relationship with God. In this way I serve him, not because he demand it, but because I want to.
Yes, God wants a personal relationship with us, however He still is the creator God. Being in his image doesn't make us his equal. I see it more of being a sibling of the king. Yes we are close friends with a close relationship but he is still in control. He may choose not to exert that control because of his love and his desire for a close relationship but he still has it.
I recognize his awesomeness and worship in love and thanksgiving for his marvelous grace.
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Re: Truth & Wisdom

Post by tr8theta » Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:24 pm

very nicely expressed :)

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Re: Truth & Wisdom

Post by Courageous » Wed Jul 19, 2017 2:23 pm

Kept simply....which you will find I most often do...To know Him is to Love Him.. is to Serve Him.

Most everyday I read an entry from Oswald Chambers (My favorite)...today's was very, very good. If interested, https://utmost.org/

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