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Appealing to Authority

Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 9:18 pm
by oakmanii
Im distressed by someone in my church who believes the lies about what The Shack supposedly teaches, without bothering to read the book or watch the movie.

His reply was that 'Some are teachers, and teachers like so-and-so say it is full of heresy so I don't need to watch it."

I think this thinking is reflected in The Shack, pages 67-68. The idea is that Christians today want God to be bound to a book, that only proper intellectuals can interpret for the rest of us.

Now for others who might encounter this appeal to authority, I would remind you that Jesus said no one should be called a teacher, because we have one Teacher, God in heaven. Paul also said that Christians should not say "I follow this teacher or that teacher" And lastly, the spiritual man is judged by no one.

Also, the heroes of the faith, Augustine, Luther, and Calvin ALL went against the professional teachers of their day. Of course, they might say that you or Paul Young is not of that standing, but I would point out that Moses desired All to prophesy and that in the last days young men and women would prophesy, and prophecy is pointing out error in the church, that is what ALL believers should be able to do in the power of the Spirit.

If the Bible really is our authority, then we should compare what The Shack says with the Bible, not with what so-and-so says. We do not want to put so-and-so on the same authority level of Scripture.

Lastly, Jesus said to the Pharisees in John 5:39 "You search the Scriptures, because you think you will find eternal life in them. The Scriptures tell about me, but you refuse to come to me for eternal life. (CEV)

I have come to understand that the Word of God is Jesus (Revelation 19:13), and not the Bible.

Re: Appealing to Authority

Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 5:04 pm
by Hillsage
What you are experiencing in the church is certainly not something new. And sometimes, the most one can do in situations like this is let them continue to 'sit in darkness' and let your light shine, even as was prophesied over John the Baptist.

LUK 1:79 to give light to those who sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace."

I would just encourage you to make sure that you're feet are walking in the peace that passes their understanding. ;)

Re: Appealing to Authority

Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 6:38 pm
by Papalovesyou
Just to be clear, nearly all the objections to The Shack are from those that set up a strawman, or take the book/movie out of context. In that sense if you are looking for heresy or something un-Biblical, you will find it, and you will spread your "truth" far and wide.

But the truth is this book was written by three men with almost 90 years of ministry (including seminary) between them. While very few actual Bible verses are actually quoted, the Love of the Trinity shown in the Shack draws from many Biblical principles, unwound from Pharisaical lens.

It is this that scares those currently wanted to control their congregants though fear of a schizophrenic G_d.

Blessings,
Papalovesyou

Re: Appealing to Authority

Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 3:31 pm
by Courageous
I have let so much of that go. Started with my mom clinging to an angry punishing god and feeling it dangerous and misleading to teach otherwise. The Shack is a novel... not a teaching tool. It is experiential. Nothing will change what one takes away from the story...but God may use it in great ways. That is my simple prayer for all that experience the story.

Re: Appealing to Authority

Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 5:33 pm
by catholicwifeandmom
If the Shack helps you in your faith journey that is great! In the end we are all responsible for learning the Faith. We can share it in many ways but we need to grow in it ourselves. As a Catholic, I learned years ago about the pitfalls of our ancestors in the OT. They had Prophets and Judges and were great for awhile but didn't pass on the faith to their children and in a generation or two - the people fell away except for a few.

Know your Faith. Pray. And be sure - as the first teacher of your children...pass it on. For the rest, you can be the best example you can be.

As St. Francis said - preach the Gospel always...and sometimes use words.

Re: Appealing to Authority

Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 9:00 pm
by Courageous
I agree cwm... like it or not .. we, as mom or dad, ARE god to our children. Of course God is everywhere in there .. but you know what I mean.

Re: Appealing to Authority

Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 11:32 am
by oakmanii
Thanks for all of the thoughts.
I was especially struck by the tag line
"Condemnation often disappears with understanding."
I wish I understood others better.

Re: Appealing to Authority

Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2017 1:26 pm
by Judy
One of Satan's favorite tools is fear. And he uses it frequently to bind us every way he can. Recognize this fear in others and speak softly to them. Love them. Teach them.

Re: Appealing to Authority

Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2017 9:26 pm
by Doggie
Very well said Judy. You really are wise in the Lord.

Hurricane watch

Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 1:57 pm
by Judy
Anyone else thinking about West Side Story this morning? Maria.....Puerto Rico......my heart's devotion....let it sink back in the ocean.